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The Small Axe People Interview

by Pete Murder Tone
Ray Hurford, creator of Small Axe, that most excellent of reggae fanzines (now on the web) is a well loved and respected reggae fanatic. Turning his hand to producing the music he loved near the turn of the century, 2001 saw released of Original Version -- the first of four albums from his outfit The Small Axe People.

This was one of the most intriguing and singular reggae records ever. It has inspired some very strange and extreme reactions and it certainly got some curious reviews. It was compared by various reviewers to Steve Reich, Daniel Miller's Silicon Teens, early Lee Perry and Lloyd Barnes' productions, Prince Jazzbo's early digital rhythms, and to Berlin outfit Rhythm and Sound.

Ray was kind enough to speak to Pete Murder Tone recently about the early days of The Small Axe People.

Part One: Origins + Making the first LP.
What made you want to start making your own reggae tunes, to make the transition from reggae fan and writer to music maker?

I wanted to make a version album back in the late seventies early eighties, but when I checked out the cost of studio time and musicians - I dropped the idea - but then I bought a bass and Dr Rhythm drum machine - and started to build record bass and drum tracks on my cassette deck, and did about 12 tracks but then the deck stopped working it couldn't deal with the bass! But the tape was given to Rae Wackies (footnote), who really liked them. I was hoping to be able to transfer them onto a multi track, but the tape got lost and that was that.

To get the sound I wanted, I knew would take some a lot of studio time which costs money. And by the mid eighties - Tero Kaski at Black Star in Finland thought it would be a great idea to put out a book. Which was to be More Axe - and that meant setting up a business (Muzik Tree) and that took every penny I had. So the thing was put on hold.

Did you have a guiding musical concept or philosophy when you started?

The sound I had in mind was that raw sound of the early seventies - Version. It was minimal - and was driven more by keyboards and guitars, then bass and drum.

By the 1994, the cost of computers that could handle music had come Down to a good price - I wanted an Atari, but couldn't get one. So ended up buying a Brother Disk Composer, and a Yamaha keyboard with midi - It took a while to adapt from playing bass guitar to keyboard bass - but within a while I had a number of rhythms built. It was then that I asked Dave Katz to come and play some melodies over them - he did . I thought what he did was great - he got the sound I was after very quickly. I then tried to mix the tunes and it couldn't be done! The only way to mix midi then, was to transfer it to tape, track by track. And then mix it. The cost of this was way too much.

So I just left it again, and kept an eye on the cost of 4 track tape Machines to my total surprise Yamaha put out a 4-track Minidisc machine! Being a big fan of Minidisc. I had to get this machine, it was like a dream come true. Ira at Jammyland in New York was looking to buy old 12" and so that was that. By the late summer of 2000 I had the Yamaha MD4S.

FOOTNOTE: Rae Wackies is the Mystic Red Corporation, he produced the first 'UK Roots' tune 'Seven Seals' with Manasseh before they were Manasseh. His own album 'Between Zero and One' is a roots classic. Check out Idlers Rest for more info.[back]

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